Sophomore Slam
Sammy James Jr. on The Mooney Suzuki, Then and Now.
2002-05-30
The Mooney Suzuki first started to gain recognition at a national level when
word of their incendiary stage show spread through the country's network of
small rock clubs. This New York City four-piece - Sammy James Jr. (guitar, vocals),
Graham Tyler (lead guitar), Michael Bangs (bass) and Augie Wilson (drums) -
delighted fans and other gape-mouthed spectators with high-energy rock 'n' roll
music and an explosive stage personality that was only bolstered by their debut
release, People Get Ready (Estrus Records).
In 2002, The Mooney Suzuki emerged from the studio again with Electric Sweat
(Gammon Records), and solidified their place in the ranks of rock's up-and-coming.
Though the vibe on the band's sophomore release is a bit more soulful that the
hard-charging People Get Ready, The Mooney Suzuki hasn't sacrificed any
fire, and is currently blowing the mind and eardrums of fans all over the world
with their nitro-charged take on blues-based and revved-up '60s-mod-style rock.
The Mooney Suzuki's Sammy James Jr., on a very short break from a series of
American and European tours, discusses the band's New York City roots and how
things have changed in the last few years.
You're very much described as a New York band, a tag that alludes to much
more than just geographic origin. Is that a description that you're comfortable
with or would you rather be seen as a national rock act?
We are trying to become an international sensation, but we're still a New York
City band, that's just what we do. I consider ourselves as a band that plays
New York City music in the same way that Woody Guthrie played Americana folk
music, you know? It's just to be aware and have a great passion for the music
that is specific to your region and to have that inform the art that you do.
So what about your music is specific to New York?
Besides the musical history of New York City music - and that's just one of
our influences but definitely a large one - I think that biggest way that New
York informed our music is that there are so many bands here…and it's not
just that there are so many bands here, but when the average person in New York
says, "What am I going to do tonight?"…I mean, do you know how
many things there are to do here in one night? I don't just feel like we've
got to come up with something that's better than any band in New York. That's
just the first step of that battle. I'm thinking that we've got to come up with
something that someone would rather go to than, say, the MOMA. We've got to
create something better than Picasso. With everything going on in New York,
we've got to be the best thing possible. And so with a band, you go into the
club, you glance at the band for two seconds and you walk out. We know this,
we're from New York and we're conditioned to give things about 30 seconds of
our attention before moving onto the next thing. So what we do every 30 seconds
has to be the most explosive 30 seconds anyone's ever seen, otherwise you don't
stand a chance. So our performance and the music that we write to accompany
the performance - that's where it all comes from.
So which came first, the music or the mission to impress every 30 seconds?
It's weird 'cause I write a lot of music, and a lot of the music I write isn't
suitable for The Mooney Suzuki because the music we perform has to be
music that is a vessel for what we do live, for the energy and for the performance.
So now that is part of the writing process - imagining performing it. But that's
also because we've never had money to be in the studio for very long. When we
have the opportunity to be in the studio for more than three days, we might
be able to explore what we'd do in that scenario, but right now, it's all about
the live performance, so that is definitely where the music comes from.
What do you do with the songs you write that The Mooney Suzuki can't perform?
Well…I got 'em. For me, it's like, after they're a year old I can't even
listen to them any more. But you never know…who knows. I mean, there're
a couple that I was thinking didn't originally seem appropriate for The Mooney
Suzuki, but we've added a few new tones to our palate with the new record, so
if we continue in that direction, there are some songs that I really would like
to do that might be appropriate now or in the not-too-distant-future.
There are some songs on Electric Sweat that seem to explore the more
soulful side of blues-based rock, as opposed to the near-constant hard-charging
vibe on People Get Ready. Is that a result of a conscious drive to expand
the band's musical boundaries?
It wasn't a drive to change it as much as it was just the material on Electric
Sweat is stuff that we hadn't been touring with for a long time, it was
stuff that we put together in the rehearsal studio. Also, for me it's a struggle
to keep that palate I mentioned limited, and that's a struggle that we lost
on Electric Sweat. With songs like "Natural Fact," I really
wanted to record that song, even though it's a lot more of a baroque kind of
folk-punk style. The song "Oh Sweet Susanna" was the one where we
were like, 'Should we put this on the record?' It's very different and I thought
maybe it wasn't a Mooney Suzuki song. Then I thought we should put it on the
record, but all the way at the end, but then I was like, 'You know what? Fuck
it, let's just put it up front.' And now that we've put it up front and said
okay, we realized that, yes this is The Mooney Suzuki, and I guess that's just
where we're at now.
What's the main difference between the two albums?
They're completely different in the sense that, if you look at them as photographs,
they're just documents of where the band was at a certain point, and they could've
[been] made by two different bands. With People Get Ready, nobody knew
who we were, we had been playing for two years and had no attention, nobody
wanted to do anything with us, nobody would book us - it was a constant struggle.
So yeah, that record was an explosion with a vengeance. Electric Sweat
came after another two years of constant touring and difficulties, and ended
up being almost a rebirth record. But for me there are definite themes: The
themes for People Get Ready were immediacy and action, and the themes
of Electric Sweat are energy and explosions. And also the other big difference
is the amps. My Fender Twin got stolen on a tour, so I replaced it with two
late '60s 80-watt Orange combos. When you're playing through that kind of wattage,
you're drawn to writing ridiculously enormous guitar parts.
How do those newer, more ballad-y songs translate live?
We've never done "The Broken Heart" live. I really enjoy playing "Natural
Fact" live, and "Oh Sweet Susanna" has really turned into a great
thing live. You know, with other musicians, you can say, 'this song is in B-minor,'
and they know how to play in that key. But with us - and I think this is just
as valid - we'll say, okay, '70s Stones' and that's the key. It's not
necessarily a selection of notes, but you know what feel it is, so when
you say 'heroin Stones,' you know what key we're playing in. We realized that,
if we play "Oh Sweet Susanna" in the heroin Stones key, it would go
over well live, and that seems to work.
Does The Mooney Suzuki have a mission?
To state a mission would imply that…well, yes. We want to become an international
sensation, but to state another mission is to imply that we're not succeeding
at what we're doing now, which isn't true. The fact that people come out to
see us and that every time we play a city, there are more people there than
there were the last time we played, means that we're fulfilling all that we
set out to do. We're reaching people, word is spreading and we have an amazing
community of fans and friends. I mean, that's why you pick up a guitar.