The Art of Provocation
Q&A with Jello Biafra.
1997-07-01
With the release of a slamming new Lard CD, Pure Chewing Satisfaction,
and the mounting of another legal assault on Alternative Tentacles over
an old Crucifucks album cover, Jello Biafra is once again in the media
spotlight. Since founding seminal punk band Dead Kennedys nearly 20 years
ago, Biafra's outspoken politics have riled everyone from San Francisco
mayoral candidates to Tipper Gore (and her PMRC) to the "punk" right-wingers
of Maximumrocknroll and Gilman Street. Despite the legal rows and hospital
bills, Biafra maintains, "Fucking with the powers that be is a great pleasure
for me."
He obviously relishes the struggle and triumph of his self-appointed role
as vigilante for American democracy, but also sees his "whole artistic
legacy" as "the biggest prank I possibly could have come up with--and
it's ongoing." Through music and spoken-word performances, Biafra comments
on the state of America the unusual: a country where religious leaders
burn giant Easter bunnies for being pagan gods, or men plagued by "the
power of lard" (i.e., "fear of looking bad") purchase lumpy arm or pec
implants to mirror the models in Calvin Klein ads. "Home is where the
disease is," cracks Biafra, "and as long as people continually find new
ways to make fools of themselves, I will never run out of material."
He credits his "sick sense of humor" for being simultaneously appalled
and amused by everything from over-the-top death-metal outfit Brujeria
to the Jerry Springer Show. However, some of his observations are very
unfunny. For example, Biafra's convinced that "major labels prefer their
artists to be strung out on drugs because that makes them easier to control."
He submits, "I can't even count the number of bands I know personally
that were drug-free until they signed with major labels and came out the
other end hooked on junk."
Some folks deride Biafra's controversial assessments as paranoid. Others
embrace his work and it changes their lives forever. Regardless of how
you feel about Jello Biafra, you can't dismiss the impact of his efforts
on multiple generations of young punks. Yet the artist's success is something
of a mystery even to him. "I never thought I'd be able to make a living
from my big mouth and terrible attitude," he admits. Well, he has. And
here's a little of both to prove why.
What was your original mission as an artist?
I wanted to fuck shit up. If nothing happened I would have been very
depressed.
Were you worried about the cops?
Definitely, in places like LA, Orange County, Houston.
What was your most harrowing encounter with the police?
I would say the first one is always the worst. I didn't get beat up
by the LA cops when they raided a Dead Kennedys' show in Wilmington, CA,
but they just beat the living daylights out of many, many Dead Kennedys
fans. It was Rodney King en masse. They were even buzzbombing the hall
with helicopters and throwing tear gas in the street. When people exited
the hall, all cramming through two double-doors, they had to run through
a line of cops on either side swinging billyclubs at their heads. Meanwhile,
other helmeted cops in full riot gear were running up and down the streets
of Wilmington smashing car windshields and the windows to small businesses.
The cops were?!?
Yeah. And then the Los Angeles Times blamed the whole police riot
on us. But East Bay Ray, our guitarist, knew a woman who worked at a local
hospital there, who told him that either the LAPD or an LA sheriff's official
was at the hospital at 4:30 p.m. that afternoon saying, "You better have
more staff in the emergency room tonight. There's gonna be some casualties."
There's a whole psychotic goon culture of police departments that's completely
out of control.
Are you paranoid?
I hope so. William Burroughs once said, "Paranoia is freedom." And
he's right. I would rather know what's going on than just let MTV and
The X Files fill up my head with swill and not dig beneath the surface.
If digging beneath the surface and pointing out what you think is really
going on is paranoid, so be it.
That sounds more like vigilance than paranoia.
That's for you to decide. The more I start regurgitating suppressed
information, the more I will be labeled paranoid. If we had a more paranoid
country, we wouldn't be allowing ourselves to be run by such idiots today.
Do you think we can ever have a real class war in this society?
There's a class war going on right now.The top is waging a very aggressive
class war against the rest of us. That's what ending welfare, as we know
it, is all about.
But what about us fighting back? You mentioned in a recent Washington
Post article that you think the war on the underclass might actually backfire.
Do you truly believe that we can organize enough to fight back and effectively
reclaim something of America for ourselves?
Well, I'm hoping so. Michael Moore (Roger and Me, TV Nation) is convinced
that the people disillusioned with the American corporate dictatorship
are a majority of the people in this country now, but we just don't know
it.
And the media doesn't publicize it because they're subsidized by the
corporations.
Of course. And so we haven't learned to get along with each other.
We don't bury our petty differences and keep our eyes on a common prize
the way the corporate and religious right-wing does. As far as I'm concerned,
a solution to a lot of [our current] funding crises is non-violent extermination
of the rich.
Through taxes?
Basically, yeah. This could be accomplished through the ballot box,
pure and simple. Instead of gutting our own infrastructure through things
like Prop. 13 and the Clinton-Gingrich regime, why not just cut everybody's
income off at a certain amount? Say, for easy mathematical purposes--$100,000--maximum
wage.
But that's not gonna fly. Isn't America built on working to accumulate
as much wealth as possible, to get whatever you want?
Well, maybe it's time to build it on something else. 'Cause at the
moment, since everything's built on what people want, it's slowly falling
apart. I think the payback for maximum wage would be more free social
services like they have in more civilized countries across the Atlantic,
such as free education, free health care for all, hopefully even free
mass transit.
So you believe in an across-the-board ceiling because capitalism's
gone awry.
Capitalism has gone very awry these days. We don't even live in a
capitalistic society anymore; it's feudalism now. We're in the age of
new feudalism where old-money families and multinationals suck up and
control more of the money and back it up with more and more weapons. Every
time we go out and buy one of their products, we are their serfs. That's
new feudalism. Maximum wage would be a way to torpedo new feudalism at
its jugular vein.
But we choose what we buy.
If you leave the Bay Area and go up to Mendocino County or Sonoma,
it's not a matter of choice in some cases. When a store like Walmart or
Home Depot or Blockbuster moves into town, a lot of locally owned businesses
go under because they're underpriced by the giant national chains. It's
not choice at all. It's lack of choice.
You can't be 100 percent anti-capitalism because you run a record
label.
Yeah, but it's not done to profiteer as much as possible off the bands
and the people who listen to them. Alternative Tentacles is designed to
provide an outlet for artists, besides myself, who want to work completely
outside the entertainment industry.
I'm all for letting artists do whatever, but you ultimately decide
what your label will release. So, what's the point of putting out 7-inch
singles by Brujeria, which are riddled with completely gratuitous violence?
The whole Brujeria concept is inspired by Mexican tabloid media, which
is several steps further extreme than our own. One of the reasons they
have so many gory pictures in magazines like Alarma and Peligro is to
desensitize people to the violent society around them.
But what do you gain by putting out something like that?
If we're going to get into death metal at all, we should probably
get into the most absolutely extreme, incorrigible band in the world.
Some people go so far over the line that they cross from indefensible
to defensible.
OK, what about the much-hyped exploitation of Wesley Willis?
I think that's totally ridiculous. I think it's taking the bleeding-heart
liberal angle a little too far to say that because Wesley is mentally
incapacitated therefore he should not have his music released. That's
reverse discrimination. Making music makes Wesley happy and his music
sure as hell makes me happy. His angle on the world and on music itself
is completely unique.
That's true. But all of his songs are the same. Isn't one album enough?
I don't think 50 Wesley albums are enough. I never get tired of him.
Wesley himself gets very offended when people accuse him of allowing himself
to be exploited. He feels like they're trying to get in the way with his
attempts to survive and make a living. After all, with Clinton and his
buddy Gingrich and Pete Wilson ending welfare as we know it, so to speak,
there are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of Wesleys in
this country who have lost all means of support. [Plus], there are so
many great quotes in Wesley's songs that apply to every situation. As
far as I'm concerned, "suck a mountain goat's ass with Cool Whip" is the
battle cry of the '90s.
I feel like over the years you've honed a distinctive art of provocation.
What advice would you give to fledgling provocateurs who might be interested
in delving into confrontational expression?
I would say just stick to your heart and soul and your beliefs. It
sounds really generic, but in the age of major-label contracts for bands
who've played one gig at the Bottom of the Hill or something, it's worth
saying again.
First appeared in BAM magazine 7/25/97
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